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All Things Social Media With Lilly Ghalichi & Chris Bailey

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In this week's episode, GG and Anita dive into all things social media. Listen in as they interview Lilly Ghalichi and Chris Bailey to learn a few of the do's and don'ts surrounding your favorite social platforms. From Straw Hut Media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Straw media. You know her from Shaws of sunset. You know she doesn't hold back. I love the fullness is smoking reason and I'm pretty surprised. This is genuinely g hey, y'all, thanks for tuning into genuinely gg word on the street is, oh my goodness. Okay, so I'm sure a lot of people know that Joe Biden has to rescue dogs, you know, and everyone was completely just loving the fact that he had these two big German shepherd looking rescue dogs. One of them's name is major and the other one is champ. So champ is their older dog and they wanted to get a companion for champ because they kind of wanted to bring the livelihood out of Champ. So they got major, both rescues, okay, into the presidency and into the White House. It seems like a major took a little bit of a bite out of one of the secret service officials rights, right. So they sent major and champ together back to Delaware, where they're from, right, and they went into training and it's really exciting because, you know, major just made his first debut back at the White House across the White House lawn and just on a leash, no muzzle, know anything like that, and I was just really excited to see that and I'm I don't know, I feel like everybody out there sort of gravitates towards dogs somehow. And then when you see this president that not only did he send his dog to get like better and bring them back instead of like giving it away or punishing it down right, he did that and it's just such a good look in my opinion. I mean, I don't know, do you think it was for the image or do you think that's who he is as a person? Um, that is a good question. I think maybe it's a little bit of both. I think that it's because when he went to get the dog and rescue it, right, that was a whole thing and it's like right, Gollic at his day has such good heart. He's rescuing, which was great. And then I think that, yes, if if he returned it or got rid of it because of that and didn't give it a chance to get, you know, drained, just was not major's first incident. So yeah, and what I was at the White House right so apparently it's it's a lot to deal with and I can't imagine what goes on inside the White House. You know the actually it's like it's a business. It's not a home that everyone thinks. It's a giant mansion that someone lives in, its offices and offices and so like this dog is exposed to so many new people, so much going on, I would get like frazzled and buy people's fucking asses too, like in this is the second time. So if there's a third time, does this state, however, rule to euthanize at that point? Like, I don't know. How does that work? And it's way. So the first presidents dog. Do you euthanize the president's dog? I mean, if they do, I don't think that they would let look the public know. I mean, had look alike constitute or something. We are all involved, we want to know. I mean. So, Wa wait. So they took the dog for it bites the Guy Security Guard. Then they take it to the train training. They comes back and it does it again. No, no, no, after this second incident at the White House and they took it. Yes, that major was sent to Delaware for the training and CAJOR's back. Okay, so maybe maybe now at what was it the same wit to detect the same guy, because maybe they need to get rid of the guy. Right. I think that wide Barry. Maybe he's not the dog. I could be a guy. I'M gonna call the White House and if it's so, saying secret surface yeah guy, because I mean, maybe he cooks a lot of meats and he just smells good. I don't know what it could be. He's a secret service guy. He's there to protect the president. The dog's job is to protect the president. Maybe he's like from another he's like undercover from another country and he's like a smiles it and he smells it. That could that could be a check. So many different my just but I just I really really because anyone who knows me knows I'm an animal lover. You, Anita, people don't know you that well, but you are a massive animal lover. Your mom just recently picked up a dog off the street. got a time days ago that you were like, can you find this doy go home. So it's we really wish major the best, because you seem like a sweet dog and you were just probably trying to protect your you know, your family, because you were nervous. So we wish you love, major, and if they kick you out, we'll find you a whole tare, we'll take you, we'll say, yeah, Jean Janitza, I want to say I took the president's dog Y.

Yeah, totally. Oh my God, Oh my God. Well, speaking of presidents, I am I'm sure that everyone is aware of what took place at the US capital on January sixth, which, two days later led to twitter permanently suspending trump from its platform. Twitter had said that the decision was due to a risk of further incitement and that trump's last post violated the company's policy against the glorification of violence. So what I found interesting and in this was that the one person who really stepped up and was not comfortable with twitter doing this was Senator Bernie Sanders. Interesting because Bernie Sanders was also the same guy who, you know, called trump a racist, as exist a homophobe, was on a phobe, a pathological liar and authoritarian, and I mean on and on. I mean he was up for presidency, of course right, everyone knows, but Bernie literally said, I mean he was a president, he was a president at that time, and and to take away that ability for any presidents to be able to be there just on a platform to speak their mind. It's sort of like a violation of your, you know, your rights in a way, and I'm just surprised to see Bernie Sanders stepping up for trump. What do you think in this? No, I I think that actually, I mean, would you ban trump or what do you think? Again, it goes it good. I don't want to bring this up right now, but the whole cancel culture like right, it's it goes back to that, because everyone is gets it's your right. Is Freedom of spree, feed freedom of speech. Sorry, and so if you're taking that away from someone, that's that's again a kind an affair. I think that you know someone doesn't believe in trump and what he stands for, whatever, just don't follow him on twitter. Just just that's it. But I also I mean they're going to ban him from twitter, but they're going to come like put potentially let him run again for president. Well, that's a whole other thing, but it's like how I think that that's harmless. Like let him do is twitter thing. What is that really going to do? Twitter said that even if he does run for presidency again or becomes president, they will not allow him back. It is completely done. He's he's off done with being on that yeah, platform. It's interesting because, listen, I don't really want to get into the whole deep political side of it because I don't know what really happens or happened in these type of situations. But if he had this platform that people are saying is what enticed the January six situation at the US capital, then that's a little bit of scary situation, you know. But I do appreciate Bernie stepping up and being like Yo, that's not cool. I mean, Bernie, I swear I always said this. I wouldn't not have necessarily voted for Bernie as a president, but I wanted to become like bffs with Bernie and just smoke a fat joint with him because he seems like that type of dude. I yeah, I mean, I'm from what I've heard too, and he's a very he's like a genuinely good person, like a good person, yes, and he, I think he's involved in a lot of different like charities and stuff like that. So and he there's nothing really like evil or bad or he's he doesn't have like a plan or what is that? You know, he's not like calculated and I think that that's why. So yes, it's it's it's actually really endearing that he did that and he's like kind of that too. I do like it. I mean he has my opinions. On trumpet's side. I actually right is right, wrong is wrong, and I feel like Bernie has, you know, the right to speak up and he has a right to his opinion and I think that's how so many of us would have a shaded from Bernie Sanders. Do you think that it's going to actually make a difference then, or his whim? Bernie Sander saying that doesn't really I didn't really do anything. I'm not sure if Bernie even had a chance with many things, even though I would say in my opinion, it was like Bernie had the vote of the people, you know what I mean? Everybody look to Bernie as the homie exist, but as a president, I'm not sure. You know, I don't know, but I liked all his beliefs as rules and whatever. I just don't know about presidency. But yeah, I'm not in politics, I'm not a politician, so that's just my opinion. You know whatever, but I do think that was pretty cool, Bernie. I think it's pretty cool too, right. Yeah. Well, speaking of all this social media stuff, I am so excited for today's topic. It is really exciting. It is a little, well, not a little. It's definitely controversial, wouldn't you think so? Yeah, yeah, everyone has a different opinions, and I mean there's a lot of different opinions when it comes...

...to social media and what main you what makes social media fame fake and what makes it business, and what is that really entail? What does that look like, because a lot of people have questions. What are these fake boughts? What are fake comments, fake likes, fake followers? So I'm excited to really dive in because my two guests for that topic, I think, are perfect. Right. We have Lily Galiche, which everyone knows. She's all over social media, she's all over makeup industry for her lily lashes, and then we have Chris Bailey from the HBO documentary fake famous. You saw that, right, did? I saw it. Would you think of fake bitness? Um, I actually it was really interesting because I had that before watching it. I always had this theory of like, is it good to buy your or like fake followers to get you on the map and then utilize that to get yourself out there to sell products or what. For whatever reason, you want to be on there. And it kind of like answered my question really yeah, how so it it if you have the will to do it, and and and just it takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of a lot of we're going to realize that either. So if it takes a lot, takes a lot of work. If you do any keep it up from one of the other, you know, cast members, you see that it was actually very successful for her. Right right, it was. will she it seems like she's stuck onto the show when it seems like Chris dropped out and the other guy dropped out, and I mean, I don't know, I'm really excited to dive in and ask him so many questions. Yeah, and also to get lily's take, because what he uses fake. She viewses money, you know. So we really interesting to get those two. Want to discussion channel that. So my first guess that I'd like to introduce is a self book cleaned artist and actually it's a very unique clothing brant called last one, left one off recycled garments, and it's I like it because he takes garments that are already out there, he just puts his own artistic flare to it and it's I've seen them. It's really one of a kind and it like it is it's the last one left. Yeah, so he's actually recently gave the whole world a glimpse into his life as one of the stars on the hit Hbo Documentary Fake Famous. For those of you who may not have seen it, fake famous was a documentary about an experiment that would make three non famous people into social media celebrities by creating fake photos and pretty much fake robots that do following comments, likes all that stuff. He stood out the most to me because he quickly decided to quit the experiment because it wasn't seeming authentic, you know, to him. One thing I really, really love about this guest is his ig bio, which says he is living art piece, organic, black owned and cage free. I would like everyone's to please help me welcome Chris Bailey. Hi, Chris, what's up? How you guys doing? We're good. How are you? I'm doing good. Thank you for being here. I'm really excited to have you here, Anita, and I thank you, you know we're excited about this topic, and you know, because it's it's it's a very interesting topic in my opinion, and I'm the topic is more I don't know, it's a little bit of as you shake it up right, because I think there's two polar opposite sides and by watching you on fake famous, I think I saw that extreme opposite side of it, which was in your character and and who you are. But to shake it up, I decided I need to bring in a second guest, ha ha, ha ha, and I truly did not have to look far in order to invite this perfect person that can describe how she capitalized by using her social media platform to create an empire. She runs multiple multimillion dollar companies and still manages to stay so humble and kind. From hair to lashes to make up, her name has become synonymous with Glamor. She's the most amazing mother to her and gorgeous daughter. I paid her to say all this. Absolute dear friend of mine. She's known to the whole world as the queen of lashes. You, guys, please welcome Lily Gali. She you, guys. I love you. Thank you for being for Lily. I love you, too. Thank you for having me, and I think it's the best topic ever, because social media, to me really is a double edged sword. So I'm so excited to get into this and to hear a perspective from somebody like Chris as well. Absolutely, Christ do you guys Know Each Other? Lillian, Chris, do you guys Know Each Other? We do now. Oh, yeah, I know shirt.

That's really the shirt. It's really cool. Yeah, this is my favorite ones, my Poe, of my favorite personal ones. Would maybe you would send like some of your stuff for someone like lily to post it with that without emplor is that against authentic if you said, is that against what you got against? If I really like it and I actually want to wear it's right. But but like, do you do, Chris? Do you do that purposely ever to that get certain people to wear your your your stuff? I haven't. I haven't had to do it. I haven't really liked tried, but people, people tell me to do it. I don't know. I guess I gotta like know about the person and like like them and like know what they're about to really be like. You know. So you have to kind of vibe with who they are as a person. Well, you want to know who representing his brand, right. So, yeah, actually, so, it's got to be kind of you know, they say on brand. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, somebody who stands up for what the brands about. You know, I respect that. I don't know if I stand for what your brand is about, but I saw the well, but we got something for everybody, though. It's not really just about like, you know, if you're an influence or if you're popping or not. You know, the message of my brand is the is to the wearer to know that these garments are like they have things in common with us. So all of them have like a past, just like all of us, and all of them are one of a kind, just like all of us. So that's supposed to resonate with the wearer so that you understand that we're all one of the ones and we're all very unique. So it doesn't matter about you know. Well, person we ask you question because you you mentioned influencers and I saw one of your stories on your social media about influencers. But I would like to really, just because we're in person, well, on person, on zoom, but to like ask you what is your idea of the word social media influencer. So like to me I felt like it was just it's like a company like sees value in it. Okay, if a company is using you as an influencer to like influence people to buy their product, then they're seeing value in you, in you and basically who you are, you're following in your ability to like promote a product. So they would basically, you know, send you that product to promote it. So basically, an influencer would have to. For me, it's like somebody who influences people to buy, influences people to change something about their like everyday lifestyle, to include like this new product in their lifestyle that they, you know, weren't using before. You know, that's what influence is. It's going to influence somebody to make a move, to change, to do some difference, so do something that they weren't doing before. Lily, what is that something that you would say you agree with, or do you have a different yeah, I agree with everything he said, but I also see it from a different perspective a little bit, because all of my brands are social media driven ECOM brands and we exclusively use influencer marketing and what we call influencer marketing is a tier of microinfluencers, macro influencers and then what we call Unicorns. So UNICORNS are people that don't have a large following. Maybe they only have a hundred thousand, five hundred thousand. They're not like a mega influencer, but they perform better than somebody with five million followers. For whatever reason, they are followers, are highly engaged and they themselves are highly influential. So we call those UNICORNS and our people is to find as many UNICORNS as possible because that's the most bang for your butt. Can I ask you a question based on what you just said? For instance, my social media, I mean you and I are real friends and you know you follow me and you see the stuff that I post, sort of rebs people the wrong way, certain people whatever, but I see people who probably have three times more followers than I have, but I still get more comments than they do, but maybe not as many likes or and I don't have as many followers, but I always get more comments. So what does that mean? Such a bout? Are you buying them? Are you buying them? Okay, engage it, just out engagement. Right about engagement, the algorithm and then, like the content that you're postings, like it doesn't engage people. Depending on what you post like, more people will see it and more people will engage. And also, if they're if a high amount of numbers, high amount of their followers are not real, then they're going to have less comments than you. Well, yes, you did that show where you you pretty much buy anything, right. So how does how does someone a company,...

...someone who's, you know, a big shock company, wants to endorse someone? How do they know what's a bought and what's not? A boy, I don't know if they do. I don't know if everybody does know it or if you can really like, you can really tell, but you got to definitely look at the numbers, just like you just have the question about the numbers. How do I have less but I have more engagement? It's you know, if it was up to me, I'll be looking at the numbers, you know. But and there's also a website school necessars. So I know in my brands we use a couple different websites that will actually show you. For example, I can look at Boldnessa and it will show me your following for the whole year or for two years, and if you see in one day they gained tenzero followers or in one month they getting a hundred thousand followers than we know as a brand, that person bought followers that month. Or if someone's graph goes I didn't know, then there's a thing like fun. Yeah, that was different company, because as a brand we're spending millions and millions of dollars a year on and I'm marketing. So we're not going to put dollars in someone that has three million followers. But did they buy two point nine of them? Wow, but this was this was something that came up on the show. The the director of the show is saying that they do have those companies that look and so yes, so they're what you what they did with Adam for examples? They bought increments of it. So they kind of got around that. Yeah, but the company that they used to look her up, because there was a big thing that came after her and they were scared that it was going to like totally blow the cover. So what they did is they took this like second party company whatever to look up her stats and she came in like clear. Wow, then he's saying maybe that company was a hoax to and then it is. So it's like what's Real, what's Bake? What are you? Are you legitimately getting the feedback from these companies? Who are these companies are using to find out if those are real influencers? And the problem is you can buy comments to now. So if if you go to look at their engagement just with your own eyes and you're like wow, they have fifteen hundred comments, it could be fake. And so as a brand it's hard. We're going to take a quick break, but when we come back, I see social media's a way to make money. Social Media's a business to me right, a hundred and ten sense. And it's not about being authentic to myself, because that's not real. That's work. Chris, you you've got the firsthand a taste of all the stuff that can be possibly fake in this experiment, fake famous that you were part of. Right. Yeah, I mean, I guess I think I take I saw a lot of it. You know what I'm saying. You think there's more to it than the just what you saw. I mean there's probably more to it than what I saw firsthand. Like you know, basically, I didn't see everything that was going on on the show. You know, everybody had their own experience with it. So it's basically like how far you wanted to go with it. But there could be, you know what I'm saying. They're they're definitely could be more that goes into it. But I think nick, you know, he cracked it open pretty pretty well and showed most you ever star gotta what's what. Y'All are the great thought. She's stuck with it and she I checked her instagram. She has a bunch of followers. Those are fake. Those are all from the experiment. Those followers, I don't think they're all from the experiment because they're because real people did. A lot of real people followed after it aired, you know. So like after the fact, looking at it, you can't say all of them are, but you could assume that like a good number of them are. What about a majority did you gain from the show? I got the least amount of fake followers. Forever, for whatever reason, he kept buying them for me and they kept like they just kept falling off. They just kept like they wouldn't work. And then so after it aired, I don't know how many. I think I probably got like Sevenzo genuine people. That's a line, but but it's not. But do you sick? Okay, so hold on. You. You left this experiment because it was helping, you know, followers. But yet the show promoting who you were to get those followers that you're calling fake are now the followers that are actually following you that you're calling real. WHOA, that was a lot. Look, look, look, look, okay. So first things first is I didn't leave. I didn't leave the experiment. That was kind of like written into like the storyline to like give it a you know, to...

...give it like a story. So that was all. Yeah, I didn't leave. I was hitting up the producers every week. I was like shoot, when we going to fail? You know what I'm saying? Like I was ready to go, like I wasn't like that's Christian. I wasn't. No. Look, nobody, nobody. I didn't drop out. I don't think while he did either. But like, I didn't drop out. I the this is this, what happened is for me is I already had, I mean already had taste, already have like, you know, I know what I like and what I would promote and what you know, and what is that? What is it you like that? And you, what is it that you don't like? Because you know what you'd like. What are the things that you do? I mean, I like our I like anything, anything that I would use to you to promote my creativity, any tools that I would use for creativity. What do you dislike? What do you just like? Chris, sitting in a shit like, sitting in a jet like what are the things that at Shid like? Do that you see that you don't like cheap sunglasses, like there's no way you're getting me to take a pit, take a picture and a pair achieved sunglasses. I'm not doing private, fake private jets. Ill. What about like a tee that everyone I mean if I if somebody gave me like a legit teeth whitening, that might be fly. But like, like, I don't. I just, you know, I don't need like a lot of that stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like, I don't really need like a whole lot of that. Like have you ever heard of rentally or have you ever heard of the legally cheap before this podcast? No, never know. I mean you and Meka. I mean I mean no, I just find it. I find it crazy just because your name is just in every store in Los Angeles, in California and America, across the world. You know, you can't go in anywhere not see your face. So and I feel like your name comes without lifestyle, which is that social media perception of you. That you were opposite in so many ways to Chris. You guys are agree on so much right now, but yet you're so opposite in your approaches with it. I think the only thing really opposite in is I see social media's a way to make money. Social Media's a business to make right, a hundred and ten percent, and it's not about being authentic to myself, because that's not real. That's work, and so I don't give a fuck if I don't stand for the product or something like or I guess the person, I should say, if they have high engagement, I'm going to send them our product. If they have high enough engagement, I'M gonna send them our product and pay them right to post it, because I know that that's going to translate into sales. And I totally respect Chris's perspective, but when you go on a granular level, when you're talking about like hundreds of millions of dollars in sales. You can't research every single person. We probably send out to Threezero people a month, right brand. So we can't go learn about each person to see does that person align with our values. That's my personal life. I'm not going to be friends with someone that doesn't align with my personal values. But I'm sending you this product and wanting you to post it for business right, I don't care. If you don't like that, then they then. I you. You were not in the beginning where you are now, and I remember when you started the lashes, and you know, it was not it was not every single girl walking the streets wearing your lashes on their face. It was very different. It was you promoting the hell out of it. Was Me. It was me, it was you. You always told me when you gave me help on business, was do it yourself, to eat yourself. But you did begin to pick and shoes, which makeup artists. You sending your lashes to to have them do that for you. So you were. You were selective. At some point. I was selected, but not for personal reasons. I was selective businesswise. How many followers did they have? Who did they do make up for WHO's going to get exposed to my lashes if I send them to this makeup artist? And so I respect Chris and that he's a better person than I am because he wants to make sure the person is aligned with his values. But I just look at everything from a business standpoint. What's going to make dollars? What's WHO's going to give the most exposure to my product? But social building is personal for you, right. The different? No, the difference is like this. I got a brand to right, like, I don't care. Like, if you got money, I don't care who you are. Like if you want to buy it, you can buy it, like right, I don't care. If you can afford it, you can avoid it, like, buy it by all means. But the thing is with me as a person, Sin Right, like I become the product.

Right on my personal page, like I become the product. If I decide to endorse your product, I become the product, like I'm you know what I'm saying. It has to. I'm talking about me aligning with things, not people. You know what I'm saying because, just like you, like, I don't have time to be researching people. In doing all that, you know what I'm saying. I I got your product is about? It is that? What is the purpose of your product? I know you're an artist, but you're charging money for your products, right. If you if it was just to create, why not create it all and just give it away for free? You're putting a dollar value to it. Why? Why would anybody do anything for free? Like, why would it? BESS? So it's business, right, but I mean, I have to have two different profiles though, right, okay, you know what I'm saying. That's what I was trying to make. The difference between is like me as a person, like me on the show, like that's my profile, like that's my personal profile. You know I'm saying, like it's not necessarily business. It's just like that's that's me. You know, people inquire about me and you know it's personal whatever. But like for business, it's like, obviously I wouldn't have done all of that just to do it for free. But the thing is it's just not free. It's just not free. That product is not free. You understand? So, like I do want to do like nonprofit, I want to do things for community, but, like the brand is supposed to be more than that. You know what I'm saying. It's right more it's more of a thing where it's an innovative concept, where you take something that already exists, up cycle it and then turn it into something new again right now, as opposed to making just making new things, making new things, making new sustainability as a stability are being a muscle foot pray things. They just like lose value very quickly because of the times, in the trends and whatever. You know what I'm saying. That's my business. I didn't want to involve my business in the whole the social experiment. Like, personally, I don't do anything for free because I don't as a person, I don't feel that that's right for me. But then why would you knock an influencer, an influence doing that exact thing they're doing? But he said I knocked an influencer. Oh, I saw a story before this podcast that you made on influencers and you were based making fun of that. So look, I used to work in retail and a lot of people would come up to the pop up and come to the store and they would always be trying to convince me to give them free stuff. Now, first off, I wasn't really in the position to be doing that, like it wasn't. It's not up to me. I mean, if anyone understands that and its you me, you right now, Lily. I'm sure everyone wants free stop, yeah, take, yeah, you guys. So, yeah, and it was just like and it was just like I moved to La and I didn't know, like I don't know like these influencer people. I don't know like what they what they do. I've never seen their page whatever, like I don't follow them. And that's basically what made me make that story. was like I don't see how I could be influenced to do anything that you telling me to do on the gram. So, like, I don't know why I would like, yeah, you know what, you know what. Person, I'M gonna have to I'm going to have to interrupt you, only because this you are kind of going and contradicting yourself, because you're working in the store that the influencers coming in and trying to get stuff from you. Now, when you work in a store and retail, you make commission on top of your salary. So the more people, the more people who come into your store and buy from you, the more money that goes into your pocket. So eventually you would think, HMM, maybe I can ask one of these influences. I could even pay for it for him to have him ward and say go to the store and go to the sales rep such and such, you know, because he really hooks it up for you and helped and takes care of that to me is utilizing and capitalizing. You right it. But it didn't work like that, right, I got it. I wasn't. I wasn't for me, it was. I wasn't in they I wasn't in like a retail store. This like so conventional like that it was. It's kind of like it's kind of like a whole story. But I wasn't going to pay like off commission, so I didn't really you know, I would have. Yeah, obviously that's a that's a great plan, but and you didn't call the store, right. Nah. So then there's no incentive there. Yea No commission, like I don't like, and especially like I don't really like know the people. So it's like there it's got. It's kind of just like people coming up to you and like trying to...

...tell you who they are and then like trying to like imply that because of that, they need to leave the store with something for free, and you're just like, dude, I'm just said. I'm at work like writing ANA. I own a couple weat companies. From morning tonight I'm being asked for free weet and we just really expensive, you know. So people are just asking me morning tonight. They think it just grows off my fingertips. So I got it. I mean, don't you in your background, to be fair, and I guess, I guess I should be appreciating the free contacts move to then hangs out with every time. I contest I leave, I'm still it's so weird, I tell you how seriously, but I got hide. Yes, yes, okay, I do have a question for you, Chris. So do you like do you regret because the show you did, the show, the show is now it comes out and everyone sees you as who you are and what happened right? Do you regret not capitalizing a little bit more because, like you saw what happened with dom, like she is making money off of it. She's doing all this different stuff that she gained, but it's not like it was fake at the time, but it's how do I do you see my question. So it's bake, it's fake. At this now you have you take a step back or like get what you're you're you're promoting the show right now in your instagram right you're promoting it. So you're saying like hey, look at whatever. Do you think that? Yeah, you kind of screwed up and you should have shown your business side more and gained a little bit more from that and then kept your personal influencer or your personal self like another separate thing and to tep. But you feel that way. I don't feel that way whatsoever. The difference is that I had a product. So when the when it aired, like I knew that a bunch of people are going to go to the website buy stuff, and people bought everything and people are still buying everything. So it's your after the show premiered. Yeah, yeah, okay, like heart. Okay, okay, it's not a regret because really like this. This whole documentary fell on my lap, like I've never been to an audition in my life before that, and like I wasn't even looking for it. So the fact that it just fell on my lap was just a sign to me that it was meant something that was meant to be. I literally it was literally one year or after. I move to La so and when I just use this as a way, I'm no, I just I just use it in a way to promote myself and about my art. You know, the brand got a shout out and even if it's just for a few minutes, that's all I needed, because people knew, like this is what this is what this guy does. You know. So, like when you when you went to the so, the casting cost said, all I set is you want to be famous. Right. No, what did it? What do they say? Like count with yeah, I like that. How they stuck good, way, let me remember it. Um, no. So, like this is so weird. My friend, she's a casting director, and she was like Dad said on putting me on TV. Okay, and she would just watch my instagram, like I'll be on instagram talking shit, having a good time, whatever, and she's like, dude, I need to put you on TV, and I was like okay, so what do you want me to do? So, anyways, little time goes behind. She goes, Yo, my friend is working on this production and I think you would be really perfect for it. And I was like word, what is it? And she was like, well, it's a documentary, so it's not like you're acting, and I was like cool. So she was like, come over my house, I'm going to make you a selftape. I didn't know what a self take was, nothing like that. So what I remember is I came to a crib, we were smoking some weed and then she started asking me questions and she just recorded me answering these questions that had to do with social media. Right, basically, your thoughts, your opinions on social media, social media influence, you know, the way you use social media. I did that. She she chopped up the self tapes in it over, like I've never even seen it. And then I got the call back. Now the call back was just like when you got there. The paper was just it was really just like a few questions. It was it wasn't like anything crazy. was like how many followers do you have? Yeah, do you do, you, do you use social media? How do you use social media? And then like do you want to be famous? And like a couple other questions. Right, so speak, check the stuff that we saw like on the documentary and yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know it. Two things that just came to mind. Actually the first one, which is very, very, very serious. Chris, it's a very serious question. The weed that you were smoking. Was it good? It was good. It was good. Her I'm like my directions, is this going in?...

Makes me very happy. It was good. Try. Who saw next time? Next time, get yourself some moss out. Now we saw next who saw? Like we, Chris, and she sends you some Whissa. Will you smoke it? And promoted on her. Put Her I'm gonna put it on the page because she put me on the podcast, which is you're gonna get up static post and that. Sorry, I was going to say right now. The reason I brought you here and what I wanted to say is, and I don't want to get the wrong idea, but by the way, I'm asking you questions. I actually liked you the most on that show, only of you guys. Yeah, identify more with you, because that's kind of more who I am. So I'm very envious of people like lily, and because she's a close friend of mine. I mean you can ask her how often I'm texting her juicing her brain, because I don't have that extra skill set that she has. So I want you to understand. I am more like you, and that's why I wanted to create this situation where we could sort of talk about it, because so many people are like you and I and so many are out there milking it the way lily gleech she is. You know what I mean, right. So don't don't get offended in any way by like the questioning. I'm gonna, I'm going to come out you hard, but it's just because I like it. That's uh, but that's what I said. He's just you and him are just much better people than I. I think. No, you're just you're just smart. Now I think I have this capability, this gene, to separate personal and morals from business. And Hey, this is business. Whether I like you or I don't like your I don't, I don't really give a fuck. If you're going to sell my products, I'm going to send it to you and I'm going to pay you. Obviously there's exceptions, you know, if someone is racist or something that, it just rose a line. As a company, we're not going to stand for that and we're not going to work with that. Yeah, but I think the difference is you guys are artists. You look at everything first from an artistic, you know, beautiful standpoint, and then like hey, can I make money off my art? I do opposite. I'm like what's gonna sell a lot of I'm gonna make that and I'm going to promote that. And for me it's it's become basically a recipe. I have figured out the recipe to social media success and I'm going to share with you, guys, and I'm not even going to kill you after or charge you. Through many trial and Ericna, you know how many companies I've had? Yes, a champagne mine, I've had a jewelry line, he Katie's wet is. I didn't work. Yeah, and then I realize this recipe that, if you cook it correctly, you can write me in two millions of dollars. And what that is is number one. The product has to be under thirty bucks. Are you writing this down? I need to please, better writing and a reporter. Number one, number one, under thirty dollars so that many people can afford it. But that goes into number two. They won't return it, even if they don't like it, because it's like not worth the ship. Yes, yes, are someone's. They get it and they don't like it, they're gonna return it to get their money back. Yeah, yeah, eighteen dollars. They're not going to go fucking pay another six dollars. Not Back to you. Last number one under thirty. Number two, one size fits all. WHOA? Okay, that's what the bikinis that this girl's boots are too big. This girl's but is too small. One size fits all. I make lashes, I make here extensions, I make vitamins. I make all these things for a reason. Once I ended my clothing line for a reason. I end in my bikini line for a reason. Lely, may I ask really quickly, is weed something that a one size fits all products? So I figured it like us. Yes, so the third and final thing, I'm going to take you up a third on final. No, no, this is number four. Third was one size fit small. Was Some fer four native. I'm listen. I have taken notes. It's small and light so that it will be easy to ship, because I use social marketing for all my businesses and social media's worldwide. Your followers are in you know, do buy Australia, Ireland, America. So if you're selling some ten pounds products, you're just not going to be able to ship it to them. They're not going to pay three hundreds, yeah, for products so small, easy to ship, one size fits all, under thirty dollars. That's it. I don't like. If you can create a product in that recipe and you can market it through social media marketing correctly, you can be a multi mine. Okay. So, Chris, how many of those three things is is the...

...sea you guys later by make a company. Don't fuck yourselves. You're here, is my cos and you want to go fucking lige me, this bitch. I thinks like Chris and a loyalty out here. Many. How many of those is? Shoot, we definitely under thirty dollars. I do that quite a bit. That's amazing. That's great. Shipping. Yeah, t shirts is like the one of the easiest things to ship. One size fits all. That's that's disppeared right. But but the thing is it's just like, I guess it's kind of like for me, I used to buy things as canvas is just because I liked them, and then I started to see, like how people like we're receiving the message in the art, and then I realize, like, even if I don't like it, somebody will like it. So, even though it's not one size fits all, for me it's we have something for everybody. You know what I'm saying. One of the same almost sounds am almost, yes, almost, you know I mean. I mean if you to say one size fits all is like it's like kind of literal to say about like clothes, because you're like small, medium, large, x, and you know what I'm saying. Like so what what, Lily? What is? What is someone do in the in the garment business, with a businesses? And I think if you can go in the lower price point, you have a greater chance of success, because, let's say I buy something from Your Company for Twenty Five Bucks and I don't Love, love it, I'll probably give it away rather than return it. At twenty five. If I paid fifty dollars up, I'm probably going to send it back to gry. So that's why everyone shops a fashion Nova. I was about to say fashion Nova is this for exactly? They are the biggest social media to guests a story. They do a million dollars a day, over a billion dollars a year. The bigger than everyone. They're bigger than Anastasia highie cosmetic everything that's prison and they're pulling. So they figured it out, but you're not going to see anything on Fashion Nova that you know isn't two thousand, Nin hundred, Ninety nine and ninety percent off right. So it's like it has to be. You have to give somewhere, and they're babe in price. Yeah, they're doing volume. So even though they're only making three dollars a unit, they're selling three million of those units. Exactly, exactly. That's where I always said when I remember just anytime I wanted to get started in a business and I've been very picky because I'm like you, Chris, I really need to find something that I'm passionate about and it took me many years to realize that. It's weak and it's helped me in so many ways. So I wanted to do that, but, you know, just realizing how you put that out there and how you're supposed to get people to understand your passion behind it, and I found that I've been wasting my time by doing that because it's really not really if they're looking at the product, they already know enough about me to know what was passionate to make the product right. Now it's about selling the product and I'm trying to learn that whole, you know, concept because I want to. I want to be that demographic. I want to be Fashionova, I want to be target, I want to be walmer. I want to be selling at that level. I don't want to be meme and Marcus and Bloo meant I was. I don't. That's that's you know. I'd rather be target level. Well, if you want to do it through social media, you have to look at the success stories. What brands are successful? Trends? Protein powder, skinny tea. You know, these products are nothing innovative, nothing great about them. They just fit that formula. They're cheap, they're easy to shift their one. Everyone can drew tea. Everyone can, you know, relate to these products. So I started like you two. I started a boutique when we're Lyne. I would design every piece myself. They were two hundred to three hundred dollars because of the materials I would use. That's that's what I had to charge and I quickly realize I was working my ass off to not make any money. And then I realize work half is hard and make a lot more money and you just kind of have to give in to society and just I mean you kind of have to sell out in that respect. And it's not that you can't do things you love. I use all my products myself, I love all my products myself, but if I have an amazing idea for something really unique and artistic, I'm not going to do it because I know it's not going to appeal to the mask. Right. We take it a quick break and when we return she's selling her product, right. That's all she's doing. She's selling her product. You've meant,...

...you could feel whatever type of way that she doesn't speak up for whatever it's social injustice going on, but at the end of the day, you don't even know her, like you don't know anything about her other than what she wants you to know. Man, I wish I could have a little bit more of her mindset. Seriously, it's tough. It's really tough because when you don't know how to naturally think like that, it's really hard to force yourself because you don't know where you're not thinking like that, you know, in the business setting. I take my social media very personally, like every time I post a politically driven post, I know what's going to happen. I immediately lose thousands and thousands of followers, you know, and and and in the same token, I'm like, well, thank you, because that's who the fuck I am, that's who you're following. But on the other side there's people who would never post those things because they know they lose followers and they don't want to. So it's almost like to me, I call that person fake, but it's not fake, it's just they have a different mindset. So I don't allow politics on any of my brands pages and I rarely post politics, but it's not because I'm scared to lose followers. If your goal is you're a business, a business shouldn't have a point of view. A business shouldn't get involved in politics because, no matter what your view is, rights to be millions of customers that disagree with you, and there are, and you're alienating them. So take no position at all. It's now the exception is race racism. We're going to post about B lm, we're going to post about Asian pay. But if there's just like a political candidate for something really personal that you feel an affinity towards, if you want to make money and sell things. Keep that off your page. You'RE gonna offend people right well, you know that. That's that's that's a that's damn, that's fucking a fact, because I'm just thinking about it, because here I am placing my opinion very vocally out there and I also try to promote who saw out there, and it's like, okay, am I losing customers? You are doing that exactly. So what would I do in my situation where I used my social media platform to just be my the voice of my brain, sometimes on you know, on Ig what am I supposed to do differently them one? You got to differentiate it, you know what I'm saying? You got to have a you got to have a place for you to do that and you got to have a prate place for Wolf saw to be who saw, because who saw doesn't have no opinion about how exactly, how do you use as you got, Chris, how would you Christen? You fucking go off about Donald Trump. You keeping off your platform. But that's that's what I was saying earlier about just like the difference between me, like Chris, and like my page. Like my page doesn't have like an opinion, even though it's owned by me, you know what I'm saying. But, just like she saying, the business a brand. It's not meant to to do all that all the time. You know what I'm saying. Now, depending on who owns the brand and what the brand stands for, maybe you just feel like like there's no way we can, we cannot say something about this, right. But at the same time, if you're just an opinionated person and you just feel like you got you got to just let it go somewhere, then you got to have a place for that where like you're not alienated world to know. I'm so opinionated, Chris, and I the whole world to know what I'm upset at. The injustice has happening, and that's right, and I feel social media events. It's like my dad. I guess different, but I seem as Zeros in my bank account. How do I that's the thing, hey, but but yo, Gigi, heard you think like that. Don't R gg you can't. But wait a minute, I'm not going to tell you how to be Bama. Just tell you what I think from my point of view, since you're saying me and you are similar. Right, you can't beat we can't be both. You feel me, you can't, right, hey, you can't say, Yo, the money, Chris, I want the money, money to I want the Lee. Listen, the money. I want money. But I think I've already I'm already like, I already knew this. So I already kind of already mastered that, because I see on her page all the time that she is speaking out for what she believes in. I cannot even believe this atrocious thing I just learned. Yeah, right, but look, but look, that's the reason why I like because if you're the type of person where you're...

...like Yo, like there's a lot of injustice, there's a lot of bullshit going on in the world and I just can't really stay quiet about it and I feel like I have to say it and say it with my chest and put it out there. You know, then that's okay, that's okay to be that person. But at the same time, if you want the money and you got to Oh, how to be you kind of have to split yourself off into two different yeah people, or two different avenues, like you're two different entities. So like ggg as the person who just ggi is like yeah, Yo, this Shit Piss me off and I'm going to talk this shit today, and who cares if you like it or you don't like it. That's over here. But the person who's like, Yo, I need you guys, the bodies who saw weed, is over here. You know what I'm saying. Like, you have to, you just have to. You can't be both. I can't, because what I was saying, that's what I was saying. You can't be both. You gotta exactly, you gotta go. But so beyonce's also Sasha fierce and she's beyonce. So you know, I want to be like Sasha fiers. Okay, but see, Sasha fierce is like a sub brand of beyonce. Yeah, and the people who support Sasha fears know that and probably support Sasha fears mostly because they fuck with beyonce. And let me say this hen bigger and bigger you get as a brand, the more damaging your outburst will be, because if you go on there and say, Oh, I support, you know, trump or whatever it is you support, half the country doesn't have, the world doesn't probably more. And even if they smoke weed and they want to try your weed, are gonna be her. She likes trump. I'm not going to do it, and you just don't want to give anyone any reason to not buy your products and ran. Last thing I'm going to say here is, well, it may seem like I am a punk that. Oh, she doesn't talk about things she supports, she's all about business. She doesn't advocate for things she believes in. Well, also donated three hundred thousand dollars last year to cause us, I support, and I think donated. You damnated so much to the the the foundation thing I did for Christma. Think I know you do that. So it's like you can help in other ways that have a different kind of impact and use your platform right. Money like that is the only thing you're going to use it for, and you know, you just have to understand the difference. Your Voice is powerful, so I get why you want to use your voice, but if you want to use your pages on their hand, you gotta did not voice. It just depends, though, too, because I'm just go back real quick to like what we said. Right. We're just since it's we're descendance of oppressed people whatever. So that's going to be in your it's kind of in your like DNA to if you see injustice, you're going to speak out whatever. You know what I'm saying, and you shouldn't. You shouldn't suppress that. If that's how you really feel, maybe instagram isn't the right avenue for it. And to what Lily said, like the thing with her, you can't judge her right, because she's selling her product. That's all she's doing. She's selling her product. You can, you can feel whatever type of way that she doesn't speak up for whatever its social injustice going on. But at the end of the day, you don't even know her, like you don't know anything about her other than what she wants you to know. So you can't really be like right, you can't really be like Ah, fuck her, like she's not doing nothing. Because, right, I didn't need I didn't need her to say I donated money, you know, just because, like, I don't know you. I can't have like a bad I can't have a bad feeling about you just because you are about your business. You know, that's that's you. You know what I'm saying. Now you you're like Shit, okay, I'm so smarting. Supporting a cause is doing it for the cause, not for the applause. Yeah, so, like I personally have a problem with people who video themselves feeding homeless people. I know me. Why are you flexing? Don't understand how people I've known should that's terrible. It's disgusting now, but I pop on building or something, it's like, did you get money to help in the money, because you get the yeah, Ye, Oh my God, that's like a hole different podcast. Other Times I'm a lock about those people. Oh my God. Um, I have a a fun, stilly question for both of you guys. Actually, how many like these big social media influencers out there you think are using bots? Yeah, a lot, I would say now ninety nine point nine nine,...

...ninety ninety nine percent. But they've a said in the end the documentary that, yeah, a lot of those are a lot of celebrities, like sixty percent of the haiden like that, Ima. Let you know for Real, like it's everyone, because let's say you start a brangleness, so you start Wusaw, your page is gonna have zero followers and you're going to be like hey, everyone follow my company. If I'm just a random person that doesn't know you and stumbles across Wusaw with ten followers, you wouldn't be like this brand sucks, right, if I stumble across Wusaw with tenzero followers, yeah, and I don't know anything about Volnessa, I'm gonna be like, oh, clearly this brand is gone. Let me try their products. So, from a branding perspective, I tell all my physician friends that are trying to start a page for their practice, Oh my God, that this is the greatest, because I that's how I am with my my my party planning stuff. But I have because I've hundred thousand followers. I was considering again, but and I felt like that. I felt I would be like Cris Little Chris thing, like I'm a sell out, like I'm buying these these fake things, and so I don't post. I have like forty, I have so many events. I have a post because I'm like nervous that people are going to look and say, she doesn't have any followers. Like are the people that take the time to sit there and look at your engagement are going to realize? But the average customer that stuffs across your instagram page, or should human beings were? I agree. More product is better, because a hundred thousand people follow you versus this page that has ten followers, right, and so, in from a standpoint, I tell all my friends starting businesses, or so it is a guardian is okay, by it, fake it till you make it, fake it till you makeup, make until you make it. By did you did you? Did you do it at if if you don't, I'm asking, like that's so. I don't mind Guing at all. My personal page, I did not buy followers. I think we got very lucky. We were on a television show. Okay, so I had a different way to gain exposure. Okay, followers. But yeah, I've been involved in brands that I, you know, I'm on the board of or I'm an investor in, and I call them. First thing I make him do is buy followers. As soon as I met my husband, he's like, yeah, how do you do this? Swipe up. You have to have tenzero followers to swipe up. It's such a bullshit. I bought them followers that day and ever since he's been swiping up and, like you know, from a business standpoint, unfortunately, it makes a differences the difference. It's sad that it makes it different. It's a whole nother podcast. Yeah, but from a business standpoint it doesn't. But you, but you separate it. Like I have my personal page. That's my have like six thousands of my followers. I think all of those are because of GG. But then I'll do my business one and and I'll buy those followers for business. I'm a total okay with that. I'm gonna do it and your followers will start to grow. It's sad you because they are like, Oh, a hundred thousand people already follow her, I'm going to follow her to okay, but the catch is you have to have a great page, you have to have great content, you have paging present to want to follow. But in the consumers mind, the one mix up great page. What it's like, consistency. What's a great page look like? I mean it depends what your goal is. If you're selling a product, a great page will focus on that product. It'll be pretty, it might even be color coordinated. Yeah, I'm going to put up low quality content, so nothing that's lurry or but if it's your personal page, then it's whatever resonates with you. Right, right, I'm just collecting information. I don't right, I'm leaving this a very different woman, not like plastic screen friends that are the best plastic surgeons in the world, but they're like, we're losing all of our business to this asshole that like can't even do good plastic surgery but has two million followers. Okay, I had them buy fake followers and sure enough, all of a sudden all the front want them to do plastics. Oh my God, I'm going to be doing every event and also in La and around the world. This is great. Well, I'm going to have a phone call make a little purchase. How much does this type of stuff? Yeah, and then what with? What? Which Company do you recommend? Okay, so I mean for my husband that day when I bought him followers, I literally want on Google and googled by instagram followers, found a random company and I bought him instagram followers. But to Chris's point, when you buy fake followers, you lose them over time. Yes, followers. Every time I anything, I post, whether or not, if I post something, I always lose followers. The other weird thing is about that algorithm is there's already, like, I think all of us in this chat we already have bots. What, whether we bought them or not. Right. So, like once you hit a certain amount of like engagement, it starts...

...to become tailored to the type of content that you're posting. So, like, as weird as it sounds, the like instagram knows what you're posting a picture of, right, so it knows it's you're posting a picture like a Selfie, right. So, like it knows that. Like most of this frame is like you're find because of hashtags. Or why does? I don't know. I don't know, it might. Then there's more gasing the data you're posting. Their analyzing what you're searching, their analyzing who you're searching when. If you have your microphone turned on, there listening. Yeah, so they are collecting information about you, second by second, what you're liking, what you're commenting on, and then they're going to serve you more content similar based on yeah, already have bots. You know what I'm saying? Like they're already there, whether you bought them or not. There's some in there. Like you'll, I mean, if you really took the time to look through all of them, you will be like what does this random profile like? They don't have no followers, they don't have no engagement, but they like like your pictures or whatever it is, like they already exist just because it's based on like this, the algorithm. So, right, it's kind of hard to like, it's kind of hard to know sometimes, you know. Right. Yeah, yeah, wow, there's a lot of it. It's a lot of, a lot, of a Lotimation, like both of you guys have. Again, I'm saying, I said it towards the beginning. I'm saying again, you guys have such differences, but such similarities as well, you know, and it's interesting because, I don't know, I really appreciated this. I think the main difference is the way that she uses it, like everything she saying, like I pretty much know, like it's the way that you going to play the game. You know, you don't call Ellie fake, right. I mean parts of me there's I don't know her, I don't I don't know. I don't know you to call you fake. I ain't gonna call you fake like that. All I'm saying is, like she knows what she's doing, like she using it as a tool, is a business tool, which that's what it should be used for, considering the way that the APP has grown into a business and marketing tool, like that's the way that you play the game. Some people are just it's just like this is my personal page. See what I've been doing. The people like I'm selling something. Come by it, you know what I'm saying. And Yeah, like it's if if I wanted to go that way, like I would definitely just go that way, like if I just felt like I had an idea to sell a product that I'm completely, like not really attached to as my personal being, I would go that way because I know what she talking about. That's how you play the game, right. You know, ranks. Speaking of games, ha ha. You like the Huh? So we have this game that we like to play with her guest, and so I will bring it in. It's called. Forgive me, I have sinned. You want to say anything about it, Gig like gonna, yeah, the question, like she's gonna ask you questions, the questions for both of you guys, all of us, we don't know what I need. Is going to ask, I don't know, only Anita nose. So, so she's just gonna ask us the questions. Again, forgive me, I have sinned. So let's just be honest. Okay, okay, data with okay, so what was? I'm just going to say it and then you guys, who ever wants to go first, go first. Okay, what was the craziest DM or what has been the craziest dam that you've ever received, because, I mean you have a whole odd because you guys have book different backgrounds. I mean yours could be from, you know, just from the show. You've recently got more stuff over the years with like with with Lily. But what has the the craziest Damn and how? What was the outcome? What happened? How did you handle it? I see the wheels turning. Yet are you laughing because you remembered one? Huh, yeah, as that too is in the not to for past. You know. That's what I say rely more recent. Okay, do I say? Forgive me, I've sin. What how do we have? I guess to depended the alcohol one to send. I wasn't really the one to say what's just what's what's the craziest? Okay, so received. So, like after the show, I got this some girl. She was like messaging me and I wasn't like. I looked at it, but I didn't really respond. I didn't respond to any of the messages like any of the written messages. So then she was like, Oh, I'm send a picture. Started sending like some provocative pictures, and I also did a respond to the first one.

But then she was like, I'm a get his attention and she sent me a video. Oh my God. And Yeah, because when she can see that, you've seen it right exactly. So she's see you are engaging. Okay, well, I mean, I'm looking at it, you know what I'm saying. So, dude, she's like, she's like fucking a dial though, on this video we're swear, swear, swear, swear, swear. And then so I sent her a response of my face, like and then, Um, after that, she sent me another one, and it was a different deal, though, and everything she liked changed up to setting it as like, did any other part of you have a response with the second video? No, I was sitting in there a room with the boys, and I was like, y'all, did y'all see this? Like this is crazy, and yeah, like, I don't know, she be hitting me up, like responding to my stuff, but I don't really like respond because, like I'm not really like interested like that. You're not blocking her, sure here, are you? Enjoying it. I don't maybe block anybody, I don't really block anybody. I don't even block my ex'es. I don't block. I don't really block people, you know, like block, you know, let him see it. This is I don't you know, I'm not really affected by somebody through a through a phone screen. You know what I'm saying? Okay, so, so this just happened recently. You Watch the video, you said, what twenty times? No, I watch it it one time. What's the what's the DM? The DM that comes with the little bomb next to it. You know I'm talking about. No, I don't know if private LELY CRAZIES DM so I get some crazy was about. He probably have a million of them. Yeah, okay, I try not to read them because ninety percent of the people they reach out to dm me are just to like tear me down. So, but you know, I'm human and sometimes I'm curious and in bed and word, I will say the one I very rarely engage with Ds. One of the DM's I did engage with and it was so fucked up of this person to do this. It was a woman and she said woman to woman. I want you to know that your husband is cheating on you. Oh, so that you know this isn't fake you. This is like the car that he drives. This is this. I mean she had a lot of personal information that really got my attention. Wow. So I accepted her DM and I responded. I was like, thank you for letting me know. Can you tell me when? When did this happen? Yeah, and after she got caught in a lie, just trying to be a homeworker fuck up somebody's home. So my husband was out of town and she said, I saw him yesterday this restaurant that like, he frequents that restaurant a lot, and he was with a blond girl, and I should have took a photo girl, but he was there at thirty PM and like my husband's face, timing me, steing, you know. So I knew the whole thing was a lie, but that is definitely the craziest. And I hold her out. I was like, you fucking bitch, my husband is an asspen, like, how dare you try to ruin someone Tom and she like never responded again. What an Oh my God. Why people like want to win people's life? Because they just yeah, they just sit back, they're jealous. And they want to sap out with. Someone asked me for a foot mold of my foot. Is Girls over here deal who all sorts of affairs. And this guy scene good, having sex with dildos and Shit, watching it twenty and thirty times the he and being being so intimately involved in your wedding with you and Ara. He's so amazing. That would never I mean, I just yeah, okay, that's a whole other thing. Okay, sorry, sorry, she's r one wouldn't cheat. I think any man is capable of cheating. You don't fucking tell me he cheated on me yesterday at this restaurant when. No, I that's just wow. I'll beat her as wow. Yeah, who is this personal getting? Okay, the second question is who is the fakest social media celebrity in your opinion? Can I clean the fit on this os so Bach, you can do that the other one and he's on the show. Ha, ha ha. I can't lead anything else. Gotta ask God for forgive. Yeah, but I gotta get this and thought. Okay, you think about it, Chris. Who Do you think is the fakest social media celebrity? Ask the I'm I don't know. It's tough for me.

I don't follow like that many celebrities on instagram. For that reason, though, yeah, I can feel like that. For Chris, I feel like so many it him is fake. Yeah, answer for me. Then that girl in your your cohost, your co that girl, Dumb, Oh dumb. Doesn't you gonna say dumb? I don't know. He doesn't give you guys are giving her like an elevation and title, calling our celebrity. You know what I'm saying, but I think it. Yeah, that's true, that's true. I'm you know, I'm not trying to those shade. I'm just saying, like, yeah, anybody who's famous, I would say, yeah, anyone I don't know, like, I'm sorry, I got to look at the phone. Genre of people. They had a word for them and I can't remember the word, but they're basically fake rich people, fake millionaires. So it's the people like taking photos in front of the cars, right right right next to a window that looks like the private jacket they use a Toi. Let's see perception that they're uber wealthy, especially guys, when like they're living in a three hundred square foot studio apartment somewhere while they're renting that car they just took a photo of and letally Lily. Is this your way of getting out of answering the question? Yeah, all right, I'll tell you who I think, and it's hard to say it because I actually really, really like who he really is, but will Smith, to me, he is his social media presence is very fake. I think that in that household there's so many issues. Yeah, but just by following will Smith, you just wouldn't ever see something like that. You just see all the Buddha, you know, lifestyle or silly comedy videos. I just I wanted to see a different side, I guess, of Will Smith. Maybe because I didn't talk about how I lets his wife Fuck other guy. I was gonna say out the whole Oh yeah, yeah, he didn't ever adjust it. Did he know? She did. She addressed that. She talked about it on her show. She literally rent you let me, but other people didn't you. I did. Yes, yeah, yeah, whoof the like? Did you figure out the name? I don't know. If I like. If I think their fake, I'm not going to follow them. Yeah, I'll be. Only thing I cringe is when I see people like posting, you know, these guys that pay them. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna. I'm gonna give a name, because a guy I used to date was kind of like this. Oh, and so you know dark no, if you didn't say anything. kind of like that, like he was posting his watch every day's car every day. But then, like he lives in a studio apartment and you know you don't own a thing to your name, but you're portraying to the world that you're just selfmade multi millionaire. Yeah, is what I consider a fake influencer. If you earned it, flaunt it, but if you don't have it, like, I guess that's a whole different fake it to you make it. That's true, I guess. I guess some people just need to keep faking it's so they make it. You guys, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for, you know, being a part of this topic. I figured that the two of you couldn't be any more opposite, but you guys have shown me to be so much more alike than expected and I really enjoyed the conversation. That was Chris, I really enjoyed watching you on HBO on fake famous, and if you guys want to find Chris, you can check them out on Instagram at Chris vs myself and he has the amazing one off project and you guys can find the amazing Lily Glee Che at every really glad and lily lashes and hair Daman. You could just walk into any Sephora, I'll tell whatever, and just see her face anywhere you go. Thank you, guys. Thank you for having US and Chris, it was such an honor. Thank you, guys, Bout. Thanks, guys. Thank you. By guys. Than all right later. Oh Wow, wow, I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed it. I could have gotten for at least another hour too. I have you know is it was really it was great. It was really great. Yeah, yeah, I feel like I don't. I don't. I didn't think it was gonna go in that direction. I thought it was going to be I don't know, I guess I bay. I judged Christ Chris would be more defensive. Me Too. Yes, things that lily was saying as far as this is what it takes to make money, and he he agreed with it. He was like yeah, if you're doing it...

...as a business, right, it's not corounous. She just sneezed. Oh it is a Christier with your weeds. You're going at my face. I have my chest is heavy to what's have your chest and I not ont a coughing. Oh Jesus Christ, you're not cough I literally took three posts of a joy. If they're in my face, I defin vote in your face. I did vote because you're always a little bit more funny and silly when you smoke. Yeah, you think, okay, I'm just gonna keep hot boxing. Let's do it. I guess I'M gonna makes it if it's going to help the show. Anything for you? Oh my God. But I enjoyed talking to them. I enjoyed meeting Chris. I mean, yes, I did too, and again I was I thought he was going to be like this whole like I'm so cool and in defensive and like and you're right. It was kind of the opposite, right, and he was contradicting himself a little bit better. And I still think that. Where did you think he contradicted? I mean the whole well, I mean obviously to make money, but that's not really the fact that he did the show itself by famous. Yeah, is that right? There is is was just promoting him and getting out there and doing everything. So it was kind of like a double standard standard in the sense like you're you're right, you did it because you knew had the outcome. You're going to get all those followers and stuff. Yeah, so you're just trying to portray this cool image on the show, right, they're so cool. But you did it. So you right there and just to go into a casting call and it's like, says, do you want to be famous? Right, well, well, not a wilse get it. Could it be fair to say maybe he thought it's something that he wanted or could handle, and then when it did happen, you know when he said his family and friends were questioning the increase and he felt guilty saying that these are fake. He wanted it to be authentic of a girth. I think when it happened and the questioning part came, he didn't know how to justify an excuse that I've kept real my whole life. I pride myself about keeping a real and here I am trying to do something fake now. But it was going to come out at the end. What was the truth? Well, well, and the truth is is that I signed up to do it on a show and that's why. And so that explains everything. He was excused doing the experiment, the documentary and here is the outtake. So he just had to like kind of be fake for a little bit longer, for what? I don't know how long. It was like a six month period for the show. Then you see it. I think. I think that one of the things that I took away from watching fake famous was that there's a sort of consistency that needs to keep going with your posts. You know, like those fake images that they're in restaurants or in pools or in some random gorgeous Fiji islands and they're nowhere but in a like a blow up pool near my God. Yeah. So, yeah, you know, it's insane. It's insane that they do, but you gotta stay so in that becomes a job to stay consistent. Get those photos, put on your makeup, do your hair where the right off it. Don't repeat Alfhit. Yeah, then you got to break down all your outfit, you know details, makeup in spoke, and you got to post it and you gotta have the perfect caption. That's you know, how many of my girlfriends and go to you people ask what should I write a very caption. which should I write under this? It's hard. That's why I don't pose. That is one one. One of them are in reasons. Yes, I don't want to get don't I don't know what to say. You get nervous, I get nervous. I don't want to say the right thing to grass all those it's a freakin chance of jobs. I think they're right. He may consistencies what's a little difficult. So if he could have kept up through the whole experiment and, you know, gotten as many followers as the other girl did, but he chose not to. Okay, because in the end result wise that he was willing to get something in a fake manner as opposed to working hard to getting to that same place. You know. So I guess he's probably always going to wonder, could I have done it all my own, though? Yeah, you know, and Lily's over here saying fuck that call. I'm over here counting my bills and I millions. Yes, while you're sitting here contemplating your whole ego and personality and who you want to be. Yeah, who's right or wrong? It's I don't think there is a right right. There's no right or wrong. There is a money man. I want the money. I think is as long as you know, she's not doing anything to hurt anyone. She's just it's just totally open about it, and that's it and that's what's important to her. And and it's also yes, it's his brand. Is Very different. Like it. She's already like he has no plastic surgery, he has it's his brand of making things authentic and one of a kind of whatever. So he does want to keep it authentic. Lily, just even today she came out about Glamor. She said that Glamor I have. You know, she has her fake booths, she has her fake whatever. She's okay with that. And so she's going to come out and say that represent this. Yes, that I am representing this is me, this is my brand and I don't care if it makes me look like all I care about his dollars or whatever. I'm going to do what I need to do to capitalize on this. Right. See,...

I didn't get that vibe when I would see lily posting her stuff. I literally thought she's so glamorous and it's clear that she probably uses the best of everything. I like. She knows what she's doing, so I trust that, because she's promoting it, it must be gone. So that kind of goes into the whole concept of Chris, you know, defining what is an influence or an influence or influences you to buy. Yeah, I live literally hired Lily's nurse, baby nurse after you know, she's a I have her pediatrician, I get the makeup she got, like I literally because I feel like I understand on doves, glamor points of view. She knows what the fuck she's talking about, you know, and I would probably go to Chris and say, okay, you know what you're talking about when it comes to this, artistic hips survived, you know. So, yeah, teach their round, right, yeah, no, it. Yeah, I just I think what I gained a lot from this was the the recipe for being successful, and I want to, I know, talk to you about that a little bit more. So we'd under thirty. I got our rope, free roles. I'm going to start making free rolls. Ladies and Gentlemen, who saw will be so I want to do something with you. So if I can be included in that or will do something else, I will will fuck or something out it's going to be less than thirty. I definitely less than thirty. Well, you guys, Sigh Stress All. So we can't do a DILDO. One need know. We're going to come out with the business that isn't under thirty. It is what are these the term? So we got under thirty and something that one size fits it's also that is not easy to return a small light so that you can ship it. Got It. That's what we're doing, all right. So we are gonna come out. So once ice fits all. I get. Well, can't do it, Dildo. Can't be a DILDO. On our next episode. Now we'll have some ideas. Yeah, okay, oh my gosh, I had a really, really good time talking to everybody, getting everyone's opinions. Thank you to everyone that's out there listening to this podcast. I really appreciate all of you. If you've subscribed, I love you. Thank you. If you haven't, please push that subscribe Beton, because it really shows me that you're enjoying, you know, listening to me and you want to hear more. If you have actually topics or ideas or whatever, write it in the reviews, give it a rating. If you thought I sucked, if you got, I'm good. You know, just any kind of feedback really helps me, because I'm really passionate about this and I want this to go somewhere, but I can't do it without the help of you guys. So thank you for being here to listen and help me so I can make this better. Bye, guys, a thanks for listening to genuinely gig download new episodes every week and, if you haven't already, subscribe and be sure to leave us a rating and review and, while you're at it, check out some of the other great shows available on Straw hunt media.

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